All Things Group Therapy

All Things Group Therapy

An interview with Katie K. May, of Become a Group Guru, about creating effective therapy groups. Curt and Katie talk with Katie May about the clinical elements of group creation as well as the business elements that support effective groups. We look at screening, developing the group container, and curriculum considerations.

It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.

Interview with Katie K. May, LPC, The Group Guru

Katie K. May is a licensed therapist and online course creator.  She helps therapists market and fill groups and online group programs so that they can scale their impact and increase their income, without adding more hours in the office.  To learn more and gain access to free trainings and resources to generate new clients like magic, visit

In this episode we talk about:

  • Building and running therapy groups
  • Why therapists wait too long to build their therapy groups
  • The challenge of knowing when to actually start a group
  • Language to use in marketing a group you’ve not started
  • The different types of groups you can provide
  • The importance of aligning your client and your curriculum
  • How to create your own curriculum
  • The group container that is built
  • The anxiety that many therapists face when looking to develop a group
  • How group therapy can align with treatment goals
  • How to talk with your individual therapy clients to move into group
  • Overcoming imposter syndrome when moving into providing group therapy
  • Innovative ways to start to develop group norms, goals, and cohesion
  • The skills we have from other elements of being a therapist that we can use within group
  • Different activity ideas that support group members talking to each other
  • Screening criteria for inclusion and exclusion
  • How to navigate clients who may not be appropriate for group, or may show up differently in the group versus how they show up for initial screening
  • Navigating to online group therapy during the pandemic
  • Consciously talking about how to be together online
  • Looking at the logistics of telehealth groups (i.e., platforms that work for groups)
  • How to start a group – clarity on who the group is for, what group members are experiencing, and what outcomes are you offering
  • Providing group to your individual clients
  • How to assess interest for group
  • Different ways to learn about doing group and the power of learning by doing

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Resources mentioned:

We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!

Katie K May’s Website: Become A Group Guru

The Fill Your Group FAST Workshop

Irwin Yalom – The Theory and Practice of Group Therapy

Zoom Healthcare

Google Meet through G-Suite (make sure to get a BAA)

Relevant Episodes:

Who Gets to Have Therapy

Therapy of Tomorrow

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Who we are:

Curt Widhalm is in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the cofounder of the Therapy Reimagined conference, an Adjunct Professor at Pepperdine University and CSUN, a former Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, former CFO of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making “dad jokes” and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at:

Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant supporting leaders, visionaries, executives, and helping professionals to create sustainable careers. Katie, with Curt, has developed workshops and a conference, Therapy Reimagined, to support therapists navigating through the modern challenges of this profession. Katie is also Past President of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt’s youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at:

A Quick Note:

Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.

Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.

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Voice Over by DW McCann

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano

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