Defining the Therapy Movement

Defining the Therapy Movement

Live Podcast: Curt and Katie are live at Therapy Reimagined 2019. We talk about what the #therapymovement aspires to accomplish. We talk about the broken educational system, the need for a livable wage, the ways we can improve our profession, and stronger ways that we can show up for our clients.

It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.

In this episode we talk about:

  • The origin story of the #therapymovement
  • What needs to be changed in our profession
  • The conversations we are having and need to continue having
  • Conversations with #moderntherapists about education and therapist-ways-of-being
  • How continuing education needs to shift to support the actual job
  • The difference between what graduate programs teach and what the work actually looks like
  • What do we do to improve the profession?
  • The importance of a livable wage
  • #postthepay
  • The threat on our scope of practice if we don’t have adequate numbers
  • The need to improve the quality of the therapists that come out of the educational system
  • The importance of getting new voices into the conversation
  • Looking at what therapy has been versus what therapy can be
  • How to step into leadership in this #therapymovement
  • The way to effect change, both in our office and the world
  • The importance of being present to help keep our clients alive
  • Now what?

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Resources mentioned:

We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.

Dr. Ben Caldwell, LMFT

Caroline Wiita

Amoret Kaufman LMFT

Very Bad Therapy Podcast

Scott Miller’s work

Sage Mendez-McLeish, MA

Relevant Episodes:

Ben Caldwell’s episode: The Fight to Save Psychotherapy

Connect with us!

Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapists Group

Our consultation services:

The Fifty-Minute Hour

Who we are:

Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making “dad jokes” and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at:

Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt’s youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at:

A Quick Note:

Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.

Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.

Stay in Touch:

Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Group


Voice Over by DW McCann

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano

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