Financial Therapy

Financial Therapy, An Interview with Lindsay Bryan-Podvin, LMSW

An interview with Lindsay Bryan-Podvin, LMSW, about therapists talking about money with their clients. Curt and Katie talk with Lindsay about what therapists miss if they don’t bring money into the room. We look at the importance of financial therapy both for clients who are struggling financially as well as for clients who might be making more than you (and everyone in between).

It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.

Interview with Lindsay Bryan Podvin, LMSW, Financial Therapist

Lindsay Bryan-Podvin is a biracial financial therapist, speaker, and author. As the first financial therapist in Michigan, she combines financial literacy with the emotional and psychological side of money. She’s passionate about helping couples and individuals learn how to have a healthy relationship with money by removing shame from it. She helps her clients navigate financial wellness in a way that works for them.

In this episode we talk about:

  • Talking about money in the therapy room beyond budgeting
  • How frequently therapists avoid talking about money
  • Bias that therapists bring into the room around money
  • The challenge therapists face when money becomes an issue in session
  • How money issues come up for people who have money (not just people who have a lack of money)
  • The irony of therapists being told we shouldn’t make money
  • Myths surrounding financial therapy
  • Therapists already have the skills they need to do this work
  • The Four Financial Archetypes that Lindsay adapted from Dr. Brad Klontz’s work
  • The work needed to address your Financial Archetype
  • The types of conversations that can happen when you open up money as a topic of conversation in therapy
  • Looking at cultural and gender roles within the money conversation
  • The intervention of “money dates”
  • The importance of recognizing limitations in talking about money

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Resources mentioned:

We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!

Lindsay’s Website:

Lindsay’s Course:

Lindsay’s Book: The Financial Anxiety Solution

Dr. Brad Klontz – Financial Therapy

Relevant Episodes:

Making Bank as a Therapist

In it for the Money

Asking for Money

The 4-1-1 on Your 401K

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Curt Widhalm is in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the cofounder of the Therapy Reimagined conference, the CFO of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, an Adjunct Professor at Pepperdine University, a former Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making “dad jokes” and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at:

Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant supporting leaders, visionaries, executives, and helping professionals to create sustainable careers. Katie, with Curt, has developed workshops and a conference, Therapy Reimagined, to support therapists navigating through the modern challenges of this profession. Katie is also Past President of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt’s youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at:

A Quick Note:

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Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.

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Voice Over by DW McCann

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano

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