How to Launch Therapy Intensives in Private Practice: An Interview with Steffeny Feld, LCSW
Curt and Katie chat with Steffeny Feld, LCSW, Therapist and Creator of the Intensive Design Lab, about how therapists can bring therapy intensives into private practice. We explore how therapy intensives differ from traditional therapy, how to structure and prepare for intensives, clinical considerations for both clients and clinicians, and why this model can be particularly supportive for highly sensitive or neurodivergent therapists.
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About Our Guest: Steffeny Feld, LCSW
Steffeny Feld is a Therapist, Copywriter, and the Creator of the Intensive Design Lab where she supports therapists of all backgrounds and modalities to launch therapy intensives in private practice. Steffeny believes that therapy intensives are powerful and transformative for clients and the clinicians who offer them. She supports therapists to bring intensives into their practice so that they can work less and earn more while helping clients heal. Steffeny lives in St Louis, Missouri with her partner and 4-year-old son, Felix.
In this podcast episode: How to Launch Therapy Intensives in Private Practice
We invited Steffeny on the podcast after seeing her work supporting therapists in designing and launching therapy intensives. As interest in this model grows, many therapists are looking for guidance on how to implement it thoughtfully and effectively. In this conversation, we dig into what makes therapy intensives unique, how to structure them clinically and logistically, and the opportunities they create for clients and therapists alike.
Key Takeaways for Therapists: Therapy Intensives, Private Practice Strategies, and Self-Assessment
“It really is a different format of therapy.” – Steffeny Feld, LCSW
- Therapy intensives offer a distinct structure, delivering depth and transformation beyond standard therapy sessions.
- Common therapist mistakes include overthinking the process and doubting the value of their clinical work.
- A wide variety of client needs and modalities can be addressed in intensive formats; appropriateness depends on therapist skills and client readiness.
- Therapists must assess client window of tolerance, stability, and coping capacity to ensure safe and effective delivery of intensives.
- Effective preparation includes a consult call, comprehensive intake workbook, and clear session goals.
- Therapy intensives demand strong session management and clinical flexibility to maintain focus and responsiveness throughout longer sessions.
- Highly sensitive and neurodivergent therapists often find the intensive model better supports their nervous system and work style, reducing burnout and cognitive load.
- Practical considerations for sessions include managing the physical space, pacing, snacks or meals, and client comfort throughout the intensive.
- Therapy intensives offer an opportunity for deep clinical work, greater therapist satisfaction, and potential for income diversification through premium offerings.
“It just gives you permission to go straight there.” – Steffeny Feld, LCSW
Resources on Therapy Intensives in Private Practice
We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links. Please note that some of the links below may be affiliate links, so if you purchase after clicking below, we may get a little bit of cash in our pockets. We thank you in advance!
- Intensive Design Lab – Steffeny’s website
- Free Facebook Group: Intensive Design Lab
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Meet the Hosts: Curt Widhalm & Katie Vernoy
Curt Widhalm, LMFT
Curt Widhalm is in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is the cofounder of the Therapy Reimagined conference, an Adjunct Professor at Pepperdine University and CSUN, a former Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, former CFO of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making “dad jokes” and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at: http://www.curtwidhalm.com
Katie Vernoy, LMFT
Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant supporting leaders, visionaries, executives, and helping professionals to create sustainable careers. Katie, with Curt, has developed workshops and a conference, Therapy Reimagined, to support therapists navigating through the modern challenges of this profession. Katie is also a former President of the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt’s youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at: http://www.katievernoy.com
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You’re listening to the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide, where therapists live, breathe and practice as human beings. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, here are your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy.
Curt Widhalm 0:16
Welcome back, modern therapists. This is the Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide. I’m Curt Widhalm with Katie Vernoy, and this is the podcast for therapists about the things that go on in our practices, the ways that we go about doing therapy. And I’m just gonna warn people this episode is going to be intense, and we are here to talk about therapy intensives and how this might be something that you want to do with your practice. And we are joined on this conversation by Steffeny Feld, LCSW, who runs therapy intensives and all of the things that you might want to consider when you’re considering adding this to your practice. So thank you very much for joining us.
Steffeny Feld 0:59
Thanks so much for having me. That was a great intro. I’ll try not to keep it too intense.
Katie Vernoy 1:07
So before we jump into this intensity, let’s ask you the question we ask all of our guests, which is, who are you and what are you putting out into the world?
Steffeny Feld 1:16
I love it. I am Steffeny. I am a therapist in St Louis, Missouri. I offer intensives exclusively to my clients because I love them, and they just bring so much depth and transformation to this work. So that’s what I’m about, and now I share the love and train other therapists on how to do it, add it to their practice as well.
Curt Widhalm 1:46
I want to get clear on what an intensive is, because from time to time, a therapist might get a call from a client that says, Hey, can I have a double session next week? That’s not what you’re talking about here. Is it?
Steffeny Feld 1:59
No, no, no. And I’ve heard people say too, like, well, I’ve accidentally gone over. Like, oh, well, yeah, okay. Like, sure. I think we all maybe have done that from time to time. But no, the intensive is, you may have heard it called, like, an extended session, but even that, I don’t feel like is the right terminology. It really is a different format of therapy. So I think about a pizza or a cake, and the way that we like slice slice the pizza or the cake. It’s still cake at the end of the day, what we’re doing is still therapy. But instead of delivering it in 50 minute segments, we can expand it into three hours or six hours, or a weekend or a week, and the heart or the content is still the same, but the way that it’s being delivered and experienced is a little bit different.
Katie Vernoy 2:58
So I’m looking forward to jumping into that. But the question that we usually ask towards the beginning of our episode, in a in a learning way, not a shaming way, is, what do therapists usually get wrong? And I feel like there’s a lot that therapists could get wrong when putting together therapy intensives.
Steffeny Feld 3:16
Sure, yeah, and it might not be what you think. The thing I see the most is people just overthinking. Thinking this is so different. I have to have a whole game plan. I have to have it all mapped out. But at the end of the day, you’re still bringing the best of what you offer and sharing it with clients in a different way. So that like overthinking to the point where it’s paralyzing and you don’t take action and try what it’s like to see for yourself. And then the other thing is just that, like, self doubt that can creep in where you’re like, Am I good enough to offer an intensive like, is what I offer valuable enough that people would want to invest that much time and even money to do an intensive. And then all that sort of just erodes at the courage to deliver something that could actually be like, very transformative for clients and for for us as clinicians.
Curt Widhalm 4:21
I first heard about therapy intensives in the EMDR world, and this was, I don’t know when I first heard about it, maybe eight, nine years ago, and it was not something that was even revolutionary at that time, but I don’t think it was common outside of some very kind of specific types of clients that are coming in. So maybe talk about who’s good candidates for this, other than you know, if you get phone calls, it’s just people like, I’m really wanting to get through these issues. Can we just talk for seven or eight hours? So who is good candidates for this? What kind. Of therapy might be more conducive to this? What are some of the considerations for the client end that you want to think about when you’re putting this together?
Steffeny Feld 5:10
Yeah, yeah. I love that. I think, like when I first heard about intensives, I was very suspicious, and I thought, and I’m a very, like, a pretty relaxed, trusting person. But I just thought, how could that be a thing, or how could that be ethical? And it just sort of like sat in the back of my mind for almost 10 years. And then I was in private practice and in the EMDR community, and started hearing more about people doing EMDR intensives and experienced how, like, how much I’ll say, how accelerated the progress was when we didn’t have to stop at the 50 minute mark. You know, like, we all, I think, have had those moments where you’re in that, like, sweet spot and flow with a client, and they finally are, like, making this really key connection that you’ve been just waiting for, and then you’re like, the time is over. And so anyway, it made sense to me that an intensive format could work better, or could could help people where we’ve run into those, like, time limits. And the question you asked, Who would be a good candidate: So at first, I really was just thinking of it from the trauma lens, right? Someone who has maybe that something that’s disrupting their life, and they could really benefit from immediate support so that they’re not just kind of keeping it all together week after week after week, and then hopefully it gets resolved or improved after six months or something. But now, the more that I talk with other therapists, I’m seeing that there’s a lot of different modalities, presenting concerns, client issues that can be addressed in a in an intensive format. So really, I love to see how can we take, like, the best of what we do those moments with clients where you’re like, Wow, that was incredible. They so needed that, and then offer it in that like, different container, whether it’s the three to six hours. Does that answer your question? Okay.
Katie Vernoy 7:34
Well, I haven’t. I have the companion question, which is, when is this maybe contraindicated?
Steffeny Feld 7:41
Yes. So I think it it goes to the type of therapy you do. So for me, I do EMDR, and it’s IFS informed. So I really like clients who have a good amount of coping skills and stability to do the type of work that I do. But if you were a DBT therapist, maybe the things that wouldn’t be a good fit for my intensive would be fine for that type of intensive. So things like, you know, safety issues, hospitalizations, different things like that. So it, it really depends on the service that you provide. And I think that we can adapt intensives to meet different client needs, regardless of the risk factors or like whatever the goal is that they’re working on in their in their therapy.
Katie Vernoy 8:38
The thoughts I had to explain the question was, there are times in the work that I’ve done more on the consulting end than on the therapy end, where it’s clear clients are kind of getting into overload and need some space and time before another conversation happens. So I think there’s there’s that piece that I was really curious about, and then I’m also thinking about boundaries, because I’ve done strategy sessions with consulting clients, and there’s lunch to navigate, and there’s, like, some different things where there’s, there’s some extra pieces that I think would be also part of the the considerations on on who might best benefit or be able to navigate that different type of interaction.
Steffeny Feld 9:20
Yeah, yeah. And I think, too, the therapist comfort level and skill, because if you, if you have someone for that period of time, it’s really, really important to be aware of window of tolerance, like you said, like some people, they just need space in between. They reach their capacity. And so for them, doing weekly therapy is a really good fit, because they need that as part of their like healing process. Whereas other people going and then having to stop could be, you know, like inhibiting where they could go. So I think knowing that about your client, and then no matter what, it’s so critical we talk about this in intake and throughout, being aware of the client’s window of tolerance, so that if during a long three or six hour session, they’re starting to, you know, get escalated or get a little bit numb. That we know how to communicate about that, and we can make clinical decisions on how to proceed. So whether that’s like, like you said, taking a break, walking, doing something like that, or doing a more like grounding activity to bring them back into the moment. So that regardless of the topic or the modality, I feel like, that absolutely has to be like, from a clinical standpoint, has to be in place when you’re doing these extended sessions.
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Curt Widhalm 10:58
How much of this work are you doing beforehand? I’m assuming you’re not just having people fill out a contact form on your website and booking you for eight hours a couple of weeks out, and that’s the first time you ever talk to them.
Steffeny Feld 11:11
Right, right. No, definitely not. So there’s a lot of information on my website that kind of like explains, here’s the process, here is here’s how you’ll know if it’s a good fit for you. And a lot of times, people are being referred by a primary therapist where maybe they have come to a point where they’re feeling stuck, or something has come up in their work that’s outside that therapist’s scope, and so they already have a baseline of support, but they kind of want to, they want to be able to break through, maybe like a logjam, or have a different set of eyes to help navigate through a different like a tough curve in the process. So sometimes I have background because it’s a referring therapist, and they send an ROI, not always. I do like a consult call to make sure that they’re a good candidate for my work so that definitely looks at their safety and risk factors and things like that. And then I have a very comprehensive client workbook. It includes so many assessments and just questions about their day to day life and what things look like right now in their life, and what they want things to look like differently after the intensive experience, or just as they’re on their like therapy journey. So we front load that in the workbook. They get two ish weeks to complete it, because it’s pretty hefty, and then I review it, and we sit down in the intake for 90 minutes and talk through the pieces where we want to go deeper or where it’s really, really relevant to the focus of the intensive, because that’s the other thing, it has to be incredibly focused. It’s a brief treatment. So we’re not talking about everything under the sun. We’re honing in on one thing and going really deep with it.
Katie Vernoy 13:14
So there’s an intake, and then the intensive session is there follow up afterwards, what does, what does the whole process look like, I guess.
Steffeny Feld 13:21
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So there’s the like, the consultation call, they get the workbook, work on that, we do the intake, where we review it, then the intensive session, whether that’s a one day or a multi day experience, and then there’s a follow up about two to four weeks later. And what we’re looking at is it’s kind of like a debrief or a discharge session, basically to say, okay, so what from that experience has stuck with you? What feels most meaningful? How are things now that you’re back in your normal life? Because an intensive is is pretty immersive, so you feel kind of like you’re in a bubble. You have to, like, reintegrate afterwards, you know. So has anything come up since then that needs attention or care, and then next steps. So are they going to return to a primary therapist? Do they need to start with a another therapist. Now I don’t take people on weekly, but when I had a hybrid practice, it would be, will we continue our work together, kind of exploring what’s next? And I like to encourage people to share with their support system. So who are the people that you want to talk to about what this experience was? That way that the benefits of it can really like, don’t just stay in the room. You know what I’m saying?
Curt Widhalm 14:50
For those of our listeners, and I’m assuming that you probably had kind of initial, same first reaction…
Steffeny Feld 14:55
Yes.
Curt Widhalm 14:56
…as I did. Is there efficacy research on how this differs from regular, standard treatments that it might seem, hey, you just go someplace and you work on something for a few hours, and it’s really life altering. Does that stick? Or is this kind of a Tony Robbins effect kind of thing? Feel really good for a couple of days, and then return to baseline,
Steffeny Feld 15:23
Right. Like, you’re like, summer camp or something, you know, you like, go away and you feel on top of the world, and then, yeah. So there is, uh, some research about intensive therapy, and it, I can share with you, if you’d like, some of the some of the findings, but specifically with EMDR intensives, they’re seeing that people are having these improvements, or the symptoms are being alleviated, and then, like they continue to improve, they continue to maintain. So they also did one where they compared an intensive format versus weekly CBT and looking at the difference in the client’s, you know, symptoms and well being. So, of course, it’s not as well researched as other topics in our field, but there is some a body of research there that is growing.
Katie Vernoy 16:24
So I’ve been hearing more and more about this, and I’m just curious, why are more clients and clinicians moving toward an intensive format of therapy?
Steffeny Feld 16:33
Yeah, I think it’s having more options. So for clients, specifically, nowadays, people are really busy, and having a appointment on their schedule once a week can feel like a very big commitment. Whether you’re like traveling for work, or you have kids that you have to run to soccer practice multiple nights a week, it’s a big ask, especially now that you know, I don’t know if we’re officially post COVID, but we’re not all sitting at home in front of our computers anymore, you know, like people are out doing things. So the scheduling can be really convenient, even people who have non traditional work hours, or maybe they have seasonal work. So I’m thinking of teachers or professors, where during the school year, you know, their schedule is wild, they’re pretty drained. Maybe don’t have the the energy to do some ongoing therapy work, but in the summer its a totally different story. So just convenience, I’d say, from a scheduling point of view, and then also, some people just like to dive all in. You know, they they’re ready, there’s a sense of urgency. They don’t want to wait. Or something really, really disruptive is happening. I’m thinking of like a recent trauma, or in couples, maybe there’s a conflict, and being in the house feels difficult, being able to go in and really address that head on and see improvements in a weekend, as opposed to months can be really attractive for people, you know? I mean, you have to be you have to want it. You have to want to go there. But I think that’s the other reason why therapists are enjoying it. Two is that it really draws clients who want to go deep. They’re ready, they’re motivated, they want to get, I mean, nobody’s gonna sign up for three to six hours of therapy unless they feel like it’s time. And it really is an honor, because a lot of times, people are saying, I’ve been in therapy for years, but I’ve avoided this, and I know it’s time to work on it. So I feel like I get to have these really sacred moments with people at the moment when they are ready, really. It really does feel like, like a sacred space. And I think for therapists, for us, to be able to have those moments with clients where you’re thinking, oh my gosh, this is working, or they’re getting, they’re getting better, they’re crying, or like they had a big breakthrough. Therapists, I know I could speak for myself, I love that. Like, that’s why I got into this work, not to keep a schedule and get people in and out of my office on the hour. Like, that’s death to me, you know. But being able to, like, really see someone do work that’s brave and access something really deep. I’m like, I could do this all day. So I think, I think that’s appealing. And then if you do add the, if you add the factor of that, you could potentially charge a premium, private pay rate. Well, then I can reduce my caseload, because I’m offering these intensives, and I can go really deep with people. And do maybe some of the best therapy work I’ve ever done.
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Curt Widhalm 20:03
I’m glad you bring that up, because I have seen occasionally where people do that for that very reason, that it’s more a monetarily driven aspect, without considering what it is to sit with a client in that depth, for hours upon end. What kinds of surprising things do people not consider when it comes to this kind of work?
Steffeny Feld 20:33
Yeah, as a therapist, I mean just that, like you said, there’s beautiful things about sitting with people, but there’s also some really hard things, and sometimes things come out that clients didn’t expect or you weren’t expecting. And so being able to hold that space and keep yourself grounded and like show up for them as as well in those moments is like, I do think it should be really, it should be considered carefully. And also just your own clinical confidence, if you’re in a three hour session and a different topic comes up, which happens all the time, you know, we’re complex people. So you might start with one goal, and then it brings up something else that’s related. And so just being able to have the confidence to be really collaborative and client centered and say, Hey, we started in on this path, and this was where we were going, but this new door has arrived. Is this somewhere that you want to turn or should we stay the course? If you don’t have the, I’ll say, like clinical competence, to be able to navigate those places, then it might feel overwhelming to be in a session for that long. You know, when we’re in weekly sessions, if you’re a new therapist, you can kind of wrap things up and then go talk to your supervisor or talk to your consultant. But when you have three hours, it really is calling you to, like, trust your own clinical knowledge and also that, like, inner knowing and intuition. I do think there’s like an art form of how to how you like get into flow in those longer sessions.
Katie Vernoy 22:24
It seems like there’s different session management skills that might be needed, and also the ability to provide a lot of value. I don’t know how to say it better, so I maybe you can speak to it, but it’s, it’s, I’m just imagining those, those sessions where, you know, the shorter sessions where you come in and you kind of shoot the shit you, you, it’s very relational. There’s a lot of content versus process that we can sometimes fall into and I think if someone’s setting aside a big chunk of time, sure there’s going to be some small talk. But I think that there’s, there’s an element of this where the therapist really has to be on and available to the process. And so I don’t know exactly what my question is. Maybe it’s, how does a therapist prepare themselves to be able to do intensive work effectively?
Steffeny Feld 23:27
I love that. I don’t know if it’s just me, but I think the framework of the intensive switched my mindset. You know that I thought, Okay, we have a brief amount of time. I’m going in, I’m coming in on my A game, and we are focused, and we’re moving, and the client’s ready for that, and I’m ready for that. Whereas, when it’s weekly sessions, sometimes it can feel kind of like, well, let me know what happened today. Do you want to talk about that, or do you want to talk about this? And it can feel more diffused, whereas when we have a single focus and a brief amount of time, then we’re just going for it. So I think the structure itself allows therapists to go to the deep place, and the clients have already consented to that. They’re already ready for that, and so it just gives you permission to go straight there. Whereas in weekly therapy, sometimes I don’t always know that I have permission. You know, the client may be coming in and they want to talk about their brother or their mom or work or whatever, and we’re not in agreement about what the time is going to be used for. And then it’s kind of it flies by, you know, and then you blink, and it’s the sessions over.
Curt Widhalm 24:54
You started off the episode talking about pizza and cake and that kind of stuff, and you went in a little bit different direction. But when you are working with people that long, I mean, there are some practicalities that you have to consider, such as snacks and the way that you set up your room and even lunch breaks or other kinds of things like that. I know I’m just scratching the surface on this, but what are some of those considerations that you have to plan through a day when you’re doing this kind of work.
Steffeny Feld 25:23
Yeah, I love it. And really, it runs the gamut. I mean, you could be as simple and minimalist as having just like the coffee maker that’s already in your waiting room. And you could go all the way to having a catered lunch and a yoga, you know, like a yoga session or a massage afterwards or something. So it really depends on you and what you love. There’s a therapist in the design lab who loves flowers, and so in her intake, she’ll ask the client, what’s your favorite flower, and she’ll have it there in the office when they walk in, just to give them a sense of like, calm and comfort, or their favorite, like diffuse their favorite essential oil, or, you know, have snacks that are their favorite snack, or whatever, you know, just as a just as that extra touch of like care, consideration and personalization. So with everything, I think if you love it and it brings you joy to go buy flowers, then go buy flowers. But if that stresses you out, the flowers aren’t what’s going to make it’s not going to make the magic. You know, what it is is you being able to offer what you love, what you do best, to people, and the rest are just logistics.
Katie Vernoy 26:47
Yeah, I can imagine. And I think I’ve actually done this with strategy sessions. I’ve had some in my therapy office, and some have been in a hotel, you know, suite with, you know, a fancy lunch in the middle. And so there’s, there’s event planning almost. That has to happen for some folks, especially if they’re doing full day or weekends. I think if you’ve got three hours, it’s, it’s snacks, it’s coffee, it’s, it’s in your office, it’s fine. So I think, you know, we don’t need to go into event planning. I think that’s probably beyond the scope of this conversation, but, but it seems like there’s, I’m just, I’m feeling the bubble of creativity around what’s possible in this. So there’s a question you you sent to us that I want to ask. There’s no really good transitions. I’m just going to ask it because I think it’s a good place to go next, which is, you said that this is potentially a really good opportunity for highly sensitive or neurodivergent therapists. So how is that something that this would uniquely support those therapists?
Steffeny Feld 27:59
You know, I would never have guessed this without living it myself. So I am highly sensitive and neurodivergent, and I’ve been running my practice the way that we all do. You know, so many sessions per, day per week, 50 minutes, and it wasn’t until I switched to an intensive model that I realized that was killing me. And I’ll be more specific, as a highly sensitive person, attuning to someone’s nervous system and then getting connected to it, and then having to do a closure, wrap it up, send them out, and then tune into a totally different person and then another totally different person, like by the end, I was just so drained, and I already had a very part time caseload, knowing that about myself. Whereas when I was doing an intensive and I Could just connect with one person and stay with them and track with them, you know, across that day, across three days, it just felt so much just better. Honestly, even if they were getting into painful content or intense content, it was just it just works so much better for me. And then the same thing being ADHD, like the executive functioning and administrative burden of trying to track so many different clients, what they’re working on, where you left off, what their cousin’s name is, what the goal is, all the case notes, you know, like I would never have thought that that was difficult until I did it a different way. And so I think that I just wonder how many of us therapists are kind of doing what’s always been done. But there might be a better way that works better with your personality or with your neurotype, and that that it’s available, it’s possible. I think there’s also an element of being able to hyper focus with people that like you’re in your best and they’re in their best, like it just feels, just feels like a lot of synergy.
Curt Widhalm 30:26
For people who are interested in learning more about how to do this. This isn’t something that, in my experience, that I would have just kind of started with clients, that this is something where, I think it is where some hand holding or some coaching needs to come along as far as some considerations. Where do you recommend that they go, and where can they find out more about your stuff in in this process, since that person is probably you.
Steffeny Feld 30:56
Right, right. Well, it is my favorite thing to talk about, and it is what I love to do. Helping therapists discover, okay, what would it be like for me to deliver therapy in a different way? So you can always find me at intensivedesignlab.com and I host a free Facebook group where there’s a whole community of therapists who are offering intensive. So whether they are intensive only, or they have a hybrid practice, or they’re just, I say, intensive, curious like, what is this all about? Could this be good for me? I don’t know. Everybody’s welcome. And I think being around people who do it and hearing about, you know what went well, what they might want to change, can just help us acclimate to like, opening our minds, okay, maybe there is another way. And if you feel like you want to dip your toe in, there’s free trainings in the group. And then I also offer of course, courses and templates, really, to just make it easy, you know, like I know that I want my time to be focused on my clients or on the things I love, you know, my family, living my life. And so as I’ve worked with different therapists through the years, we’ve we’ve got together some trainings and templates to make it, make it easier for people
Katie Vernoy 32:30
That’s really cool.
Curt Widhalm 32:31
And we’ll include links to Steffeny’s stuff in our show notes over at mtsgpodcast.com, and follow us on our social media. Join our Facebook group, the Modern Therapist Group, to continue on with this conversation, and until next time, I’m Curt Widhalm with Katie Vernoy and Steffeny Feld.
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