That's Unethical!

That’s Unethical!

Curt and Katie talk about people who yell “That’s Unethical” whenever they disagree with what someone else is doing. It could be ethics, but it might actually be legal, clinically relevance, values, morals, what “should” be done or what has always been done – and how to navigate messy decisions.

It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.

In this episode we talk about:

  • The tendency of people to yell “That’s Unethical!” when they disagree with what you’re doing (even if it doesn’t relate to an ethic)
  • The differences between laws, ethics, clinically relevance, personal morals and values, and “shoulds” or what we’ve always done
  • #citethestatute
  • Being thoughtful about how we make decisions as a therapist
  • Emotional versus wise mind arguments
  • The messiness of reality – things don’t always stack up related to laws, ethics, clinical relevance, etc.
  • The need to discuss these things, so we can make change when needed
  • How to sort through the muddiness of real world scenarios where laws, ethics, and clinical interventions don’t line up.
  • The need to sort through in a case by case basis
  • Developmental stages of navigating the complexity of these differentiations
  • Your own values, limitations
  • The importance of consultation
  • Facebook group consultation – pros and cons
  • Seeking consultation on ethical, legal, and clinical complexity

Resources mentioned:

We’ve pulled together resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.

Dr. Ben Caldwell with Ben Caldwell Labs

Other Relevant Episodes:

Dual Relationships

Dating as a Therapist

Social Media and Video Marketing for Therapists

Managing Your Online Reputation

How Much is Too Much? (on limit setting, talking politics with clients, etc.)

The Brand Called You

What Clients Want (on the therapeutic relationship)

Our Take on Texts

Our event this year:

The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!

Our new consultation services:

The Fifty-Minute Hour

Who we are:

Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making “dad jokes” and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at:

Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt’s youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at:

A Quick Note:

Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.

Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.

Stay in Touch:

Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group


Voice Over by DW McCann

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano

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