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Building Hope for the Next Generation of Therapists, An Interview with Robin Andersen, LMFT

It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. We are human beings who can now present ourselves as whole people, with authenticity, purpose, and connection. Especially now, when therapists must develop a personal brand to market their practices.

To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.

Interview with Robin Andersen, LMFT, the Founder of Prelicensed

Robin Andersen is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist (LMFT 100070), the Founder of Prelicensed, the Business Development Manager for TrackYourHours and TrackYourCEUs, and the President of the San Diego North County Chapter of CAMFT. She is passionate about supporting prelicensed MFTs and enjoys focusing on numerous aspects of the MFT field, including entrepreneurship, leadership, and advocacy. Robin strives to create resources that serve the MFT community and move the profession forward. You can learn more about her current and upcoming projects by visiting her website.

In this episode we talk about hope for future therapists:

  • Why she started and explaining her other current projects, trackyourhours and trackyourceus
  • Robin’s assessment of the gaps in the field for students, trainees, and associates
  • The #postthepay campaign and how prelicensed individuals can navigate job searching
  • The different explanations Robin has heard about why people don’t pay interns and associates
  • The importance of getting mentorship
  • Getting and giving support and mentorship
  • How to advocate as a prelicensed individual
  • How prelicensed individuals can get in their own way
  • Robin’s best tips for successfully moving forward in the career

Resources mentioned:

We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.




Dr. Ben Caldwell

CAMFT (California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists)

AAMFT (American Association of Marriage and Family Therapists)

BBS (Board of Behavioral Sciences)

Our events:

The Brand Called “You”: Legal and Ethical Issues in Developing Your Personal Brand

The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!

Who we are:

Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making “dad jokes” and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more about Curt at

Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt’s youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more about Katie at

A Quick Note:

Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.

Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.

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Voice Over by DW McCann

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano

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