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Therapists In Therapy

It’s time to reimagine therapy and what it means to be a therapist. To support you as a whole person and a therapist, your hosts, Curt Widhalm and Katie Vernoy talk about how to approach the role of therapist in the modern age.

In this episode we talk about therapists in therapy:

  • How to find a therapist (and all of the challenges in finding the right therapist)
  • The potential for a dual relationship and making sure that you can navigate it
  • The stigma related to shopping for a new therapist
  • Finding someone who is further along in the career and very skilled to be your therapist
  • Whether or not therapy should be a requirement in grad school
  • Whether you can be a good therapist if you’ve never been a therapy client
  • The importance of using therapy to address current mental health concerns as well as vicarious trauma, compassion fatigue, burnout, and the stresses of being a private practitioner

Resources mentioned:

We’ve pulled together any resources mentioned in this episode and put together some handy-dandy links.


Counselling psychologists’ perceptions of the impact of mandatory personal therapy on professional development–an exploratory study

Psychotherapy trainees’ experiences of their own mandatory personal therapy raise “serious ethical considerations”

Therapy for Therapists

Other Episodes Mentioned:

Bad Marketing Decisions

Finding Your Blind Spots

Be a Better Therapist

Our events this year:

The Brand Called “You”: Legal & Ethical Issues in Developing a Personal Brand

The Therapy Reimagined Conference in Los Angeles in October 2018!!

Who we are:

Curt Widhalm is a Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist in private practice in the Los Angeles area. He is a Board Member at Large for the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists, a Subject Matter Expert for the California Board of Behavioral Sciences, Adjunct Faculty at Pepperdine University, and a loving husband and father. He is 1/2 great person, 1/2 provocateur, and 1/2 geek, in that order. He dabbles in the dark art of making “dad jokes” and usually has a half-empty cup of coffee somewhere nearby. Learn more at:

Katie Vernoy is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, coach, and consultant. As a helping professional for two decades, she’s navigated the ups and downs of our unique line of work. She’s run her own solo therapy practice, designed innovative clinical programs, built and managed large, thriving teams of service providers, and consulted hundreds of helping professionals on how to build meaningful AND sustainable practices. In her spare time, Katie is secretly siphoning off Curt’s youthful energy, so that she can take over the world. Learn more at:

A Quick Note:

Our opinions are our own. We are only speaking for ourselves – except when we speak for each other, or over each other. We’re working on it.

Our guests are also only speaking for themselves and have their own opinions. We aren’t trying to take their voice, and no one speaks for us either. Mostly because they don’t want to, but hey.

Stay in Touch:

Our Facebook Group – The Modern Therapist’s Survival Guide Group


Voice Over by DW McCann

Music by Crystal Grooms Mangano

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